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Investigations Math Poll Results - Conclusion and Action Steps

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If you've read through each page to take the time to get a better understanding of this program, you're my hero. If you've skipped to the end to see the conclusion, you're probably an Investigations Math graduate. Just kidding. Don't flame me. Regardless, thanks for visiting the site and checking out the survey. I want to again reiterate that this was not a scientific study. I merely asked people I know to take the survey and pass it on to others. I still wound up with a divergence of opinions that I do believe are valid representations of our demographics in the community, but I lack the true scientific process in doing it.

Summary of key findings:

  • People rated Investigations Math a 3.4 out of 10
  • By a 2 to 1 ratio, parents say they are spending more time working with their children on math in this program. Why? on...
  • 80% of poll takers give Investigations Math a 21% chance of preparing their children for their future
  • 82% of poll takers believe the schools should use more traditional math in teaching
  • 96% of ALL poll takers believe the school district is NOT doing the math program right
  • 10% of poll takers believe their child is progressing at their own pace (a stated purpose of the program)
  • Not a single poll taker of the 52 thought the Investigations Math program was too fast, but over 80% said it was too slow, including 45% of those that rated investigations highly
  • Of parents that said Investigations Math was preparing their children for the future, 50% believe the schools should teach more traditional math and 70% said their child was not progressing fast enough
  • The school board has not responded since I contacted them June 16th about the allegation of having received kickbacks for switching to Investigations Math thus tainting anything positive they say about the program. (see Q10 page)

Findings from other studies include a Harvard professor who stated, "By the end of fifth grade, TERC (Investigations Math) students have fallen roughly two years behind where they should be." Ouch!

These points are a pretty strong statement about the condition of Investigations Math in this district. What's really amazing about this program and those that have implemented it, are stories I have learned about outside the survey about teachers and principals that were blackballed or forced out because they believed this was the wrong way to teach. Some teachers that purchased books to teach their students from have actually had their books confiscated and been forced to teach the Investigations Math method which DOES NOT INVOLVE TEXTBOOKS! It is a sad day when our school board stoops to such tactics. It's like a book confiscation where the real knowledge is taken from our children and they are told to figure out math on their own and see how far they can get.

There is a place for deeply thinking about math. But I am not in favor of this program using what should be a tool of the educator (having students ponder mathematical relationships) and being used as the ONLY tool for our children's education. What the district has attempted to implement is leading to confusion between teachers, students, and parents.

Furthermore some teachers haven't even accepted the program and don't use it in the classroom. I have even heard of one such teacher getting a standing ovation at Mountain Ridge Jr. High when he told parents that fact. The school board and district don't appear to be giving teachers much direction either as some teachers will tell the children and parents one thing and then we get conflicting information from other teachers. One teacher I have heard of was chewed out so badly for teaching times tables that she broke down and cried. With all those factors put together, we're winding up with a recipe for disaster.

In thinking about why some of the teachers are resisting implementing this program, has it ever occurred to the school board that maybe some of the people that have spent a lifetime teaching math, actually think this program isn't going to do the job?

Personally, I believe Saxon math to be one of the best programs to do this based on my limited research and the comments from over a dozen people that have their children in the Saxon program. Investigations math seems more to me like a watered down curriculum that only has the effect of dumbing down our kids over time. (see my page on the tax exempt foundations and book reviews on the Deliberate Dumbing Down of Education at Amazon for detailed information from a former Education Secretary on what's happening in education in this country behind the scenes.)

I hope this survey has been enlightening. I know some will discard the information posted here, others will say they're going to take action and express platitudes like "nice survey Oak, we'll be sure to address those things in future board meetings." Some may react overly emotionally as they feel threatened by this information and well they should be since they are accountable for the lack of education our children are receiving.

At this point I'd like to ask you to do a couple things.

First, sign the petition to get rid of Investigations math in Alpine school district.

Second, contact the school board and give them your thoughts. The more responses they get from parents in the community the better they can act. The great thing about a school board is they are elected officials, so if they aren't implementing what you want them to do, you can vote them out of office. Please contact them here: (actually it appears their webform is not currently working. Please call their admin office and tell them you'd like to register a request to change the math program to a more rigorous curriculum than Investigations math).

Third, PLEASE pass this website on to others and get them to sign the survey and help me build an army of parents concerned about their children's education. I've done a lot of work here to make possible a shot at changing the math program in the district. I'm very grateful for those that have helped and are helping spread the word. Please don't let this opportunity pass now. We need your help.

Please feel free to take this short survey as well to let me know any other thoughts you have. I would especially appreciate hearing your real life stories about how Investigations math has effected your family.

Investigations Math Poll Introduction and Question Summary*

Poll Conclusion and Action Steps

Investigations Math Menu

** Most important pages to read (all have value but if you will only read a few pages make it these)
* Very important

Research and Information Press Coverage

THE PETITION TO REMOVE INVESTIGATIONS MATH** (OVER 5% of ASD represented--still ignored by ASD)


Math With Madeline Video

All Weekly Email Updates **

Edspresso Article on WMD Comics

Weapons of Math Destruction Comics**

What Can You Do About Fuzzy Math in Your Area - 13 Ideas**

Brain Programming

ASD's Saxon Math Deception
Part 2 of the Deception

4/21/07 ASD Superintendent Calls Parents Extremists (for wanting the times tables in schools)

Alpine School District Residents Should Choose Saxon Math

9/13/06 Dual Enrollment Guidelines - Opting Out of Math or Other Classes

9/2/06 Jaime Escalante and NCTM Standards**

9/2/06 Amber Lee's Independent Research

The Math Story (ie. How I Got Started)

7/31/06 Educators Ignore Project Follow-Through**

7/26/06 Comparison of Alpine to Nebo and Provo Districts and comments on Orem City Breaking Off **

3/30/06 Utah Public Radio Broadcast with David Wright and Damon Bahr* (Right-Click and use Save As to download)

Insane Supplementary Materials Compound Investigations Math Nightmare**

Map of ASD Precincts and Election information- You must register to run by 3/17

3/2/06 David Wright's Mathematician Petition to the State of Utah*

2/14/06 Why are Charter School Scores Better than Alpine School District's?*

2/14/06 Alpine School District IOWA Test Math Scores

10 Myths About Math Education and Why You Shouldn't Believe Them

2/1/06 The Case for Utah adopting California's Math Standards-Testimony to Utah Congress**

1/10/06 School Board Meeting challenge to find just one valid study by 1/31/06 ** (I'm still waiting)

Math Tutors in Utah (find one/list one)

11/9/05 Update - How ASD is failing more children each year**

ASD's statement to teachers authorizing them to teach traditional math without fear of repercussion

California Study showing tripling of scores for schools that left constructivist math and implemented Saxon Math**

10/31/05 Petition Maps (see where people are signing the petition-blue dots are schools, red are petitions)

How About Grades 6-12 Connected and Interactive Math?**

Raising Critical Thinking Skills*

Pro-Investigations websites (for anyone interested)

8/15/05 Update (compares Alpine to other districts and charter schools) *

7/29/05 Update (resources given to ASD, sample problems, ASD vs. Nebo School District) *

Investigations Math Origins and Articles*

Math Programs Compared ("Traditional", Investigations, Saxon)

Supplementing your Public School Student's Education**

The California Investigations Math Failure**

Community comments - both Pro/Anti Investigations **

Investigations Math Poll Introduction and Question Summary*


Additional articles are covered in weekly updates since April 2007

Victory in Utah - State to Revamp Standards (11/16/06)

Major Breaking News...NCTM does a 180 after 17 years of destroying math in America

It must really irritate the folks at Alpine School District (ASD) who have taken to calling all my work "biased and flawed" to have such no-name disreputable organizations pandering to my lies. The legacy of ASD will be the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of students unable to obtain a technical higher education degree.

4/25/07 Provo Daily Herald - Math petitioners called 'extremists' in Alpine District

4/24/07 Deseret News Article - So how many different programs are appropriate to use at one time Mr. Henshaw?

3/1/07 - Deseret News - Schools' grades mixed - Utah system rated by U.S. Chamber in a new report

2/14/07 Provo Daily Herald - Committee makes math program suggestions for Alpine: Many in district pine for 'Investigations'

2/14/07 Deseret News - Alpine seeking balance in math

2/12/07 Deseret News - Math Program Deleted - Alpine District dumps controversial approach

11/16/06 Deseret News - State leaders support math overhaul for schools

11/16/06 Salt Lake Tribune - Utah's 'fuzzy math' curriculum scrapped; legislators endorse plan to revamp state standards

11/15/06 New York Times - As Math Scores Lag, a New Push for the Basics

10/29/06 Provo Daily Herald - Survey: Math Program Doesn't Add Up

10/25/06 Deseret News - Students decline at 5 Utah colleges

10/19/06 Deseret News - Math learning is shallow in U.S., professor says

10/19/06 Deseret News - Math in Utah — 'fuzzy' or A-OK?

10/06 Salt Lake Tribune - Bad marks for Utah's schools

10/9/06 BYU NewsNet - Alpine School District Under Attack

9/30/06 Provo Daily Herald - Districts evaluate 'failures' in testing

9/29/06 Provo Daily Herald - Utah schools receive progress rankings

9/26/06 - Parents Know the Right Equation for Teaching Math - by Phyllis Schafly

9/12/06 Wall Street Journal - New Report Urges Return to Basics In Teaching Math

9/6/06 Provo Daily Herald - Parent suggests Alpine district be responsive

8/28/06 Provo Daily Herald - Alpine readies to let schools choose curriculum for math (be sure to check out the comments section)

8/26/06 Provo Daily Herald - Charter schools attract parents concerned about public education

7/29/06 Deseret News - Burned-out teachers problematic

7/26/06 Deseret News - Most favor creation of small school districts

5/28/06 Salt Lake Tribune - Alpine School District relents and will change its math offerings***

5/26/06 Deseret News - Alpine opts for choice in its math programs***

5/25/06 Provo Daily Herald - District Reviews Math Options***

5/23/06 - Provo Daily Herald -Orem OKs feasibility study of splitting from Alpine district

5/23/06-Deseret News - Orem not hastening into a schools split

5/23/06-Salt Lake Tribune Article-Orem to study Alpine District split

5/12/06 Provo Daily Herald - Math decision delayed

5/10/06 Provo Daily Herald - Petition Requests District Division

5/6/06 Deseret News - Utah to study states' math programs

4/16/06 Provo Daily Herald- Alpine District continues to lose students to charters

4/6/06 Provo Daily Herald- Charter school debate heats up in Alpine school district

3/20/06 Salt Lake Tribune - Alpine in grip of 'Math Wars'

3/3/06 Provo Daily Herald-Professor: Clearer math standards needed

3/2/06 Deseret News- Math Petition Circulating

2/19/06 San Jose Mercury News - Math back in forefront, but debate lingers on how to teach it.

2/18/06 Salt Lake Tribune-Battle over math teaching spreads

2/15/06 Salt Lake Tribune-Indifference to math skills part of the problem

2/15/06 Deseret News-Parents voice their views on Alpine math

2/15/06 Provo Daily Herald-Provo district seeks math balance

2/9/06 Deseret News - Alpine trio defend approach to math
Rebuttal Letter to Editor: Math approach is harmful

2/7/06 Deseret News - Alpine defends math classes

2/2/06 Deseret News - Lawmaker Gives Alpine Math an F

1/29/06 Salt Lake Tribune - Charter School Funding Tight

1/20/06 Deseret News Letter to Editor: Rote exercises pay vital role in mathematical education

1/7/06 Provo Daily Herald - Investigations: Not your parent's math

12/18/05 Provo Daily Herald -Math doesn't add up for all

12/13/05  15 Charter Schools Scheduled to Open Next Year

11/24/05 Provo Daily Herald - Parents mad over new math curriculum (be sure to read the comments)



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